THE MAGNIFICENT SAMMO HUNG - 洪金寶

Yuen Biao Interviews


"Project A" HKL interview

There's a special bond that we have and the three of us together can talk and discuss things freely. It's a very... there's no need to communicate specifically. We don't have to worry about it. If three actors who aren't familiar with one another make a film, they won't be so relaxed. But with the three of us, we all know what each other is doing. When one of us speaks, we know what he means. Ever since we were young, we had the same teacher, we'd talk and we knew each other well, so it's easy. When the three of us are together, we have a kind of telepathic bond which we developed in our childhood. I can't explain it to you. It's like you look at me and I know what will happen next. It is a special... attitude. It's like when your parents see a look on your face and know what you are up to. Say ou want to speak and you move like this first. There are a lot of little nuances like this with us. Like when we say "Remember that from when we were young?" Only we would know. Nobody else will. A director doesn't have to speak to us individually. The three of us... Well, it's a lot quicker.

I was born in Hong Kong. I didn't like going to school as a child. I never went to school and my parents... I was always going out to play and watching opera. My parents always went to... like most Shanghai people of that era, they loved going to the opera. As I didn't like studying or going to school, I accompanied my parents to the opera. There I saw Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung and Yuen Wah and others... We went to the same opera school, but they started well before me. I went watch them every night. It was exciting... all the tumbling, and the kung fu. As my father liked it he enrolled me into school - into a Peking Opea School. That was when I first joined a school. My real surname is Har and my real name is Har Ling-jun. When we entered the school we all had to change our names with the word Yuen in them, because our master was called Yu Jim Yuen and his pupils were called "Yuen this" and "Yuen that". Jackie was called Yuen Lau, Sammo was called Yuen Lung, Yuen Wah and so on, you know. My relationship with our teacher... As a child, meeting my teacher was like meeting a tiger. If he was in front, we'd be behind him. If he was sitting, we sat next to him. We showed him respect, ever since we were little because he was so fearsome. He'd beat you if you were even the slightest... You just couldn't tolerate his punishment. But that was what he went through. Our teacher said it was like this when you learnt Peking Opera. As a child he also learnt under a strict regime. As a child my teacher was like a tiger. I saw my teacher and thought "You wait and see. When I grow up...". It was like that, I didn't know any better as a child. But by the time we came out to work in this industry, we realised that our teacher had taught us very useful things, since we didn't go to normal schools. After we graduated, we never thought "what next", as we were too young. My parents sent me out to learn opera... A child not intelligent enough to think about his future. Who at that age knows what he is going to do in the future? It was only when people often asked me this, that I would think. A child would not think this far. I was never "I'm learning to be an operatic actor so I will be one". As an apprentice you learnt a trade and later you had the option to use it if you wanted to. It's like studying a particular subject to do a specific job. We studied opera so we'd enter the entertainment industry. And if we followed through with it, this would be our career. Otherwise we'd have nothing. In Hong Kong there wasn't anything. If there wasn't a film industry we'd be lost. We were lucky that then in Hong Kong people liked this kind of film, and there were people who could perform it to represent Hong Kong. This became the mainstream film. Then eventually, Hong Kong became renowned for its action movies. Romance could never achieve that, because there is a language barrier in foreign markets. They do not understand Cantonese, nor do I understand English. But with movements, you could understand easily. So, this was to our advantage.

Peking Opera is... It hasn't got thrust, power or speed. It has endurance. Like holding your leg up and leaving it here. The audience likes this. We learnt this as children - endurance and stability. But you can't use Peking Opera on film so I learnt other kung fu katas. On top of our basic knowledge, we also learnt some practical martial arts, like Taekwondo, karate, boxing, etc. So we learnt this and incorporated it and added some difficulty to see if it was possible to add it to a film. If you were filming, I was always thinking of ways of kicking, ways to make kicking look good, always thinking of different ways. I was interested in creating ways of doing this. I made them up myself. Nobody taught me that. I created these action sequences for others to do. If they couldn't do it, I went and did it myself. The audience likes watching me fight, not laugh or cry. Leung Kar Yan has a different style, the audience can see this. I don't think the audience would compare the two actors on screen and we wouldn't do that as actors. We would do our best and to the way the director wanted it. Whatever the audience likes to watch, we'll try and do it, so the audience would react "Wow!". We'd try and think of more ways to do this. We'd known about Bruce Lee ever since we were children. Regarding what he could do, he did deserve people's admiration. On film his kung fu was magnificent, but regarding filming techniques those old films were not that sophisticated, they were one-man shows. If he wasn't so great, there would be nothing to see. We went to the same school... When we had left school we had all done Bruce Lee's films like Bruce Lee's last film Enter the Dragon. He died before finishing The Game of Death. We did Enter the Dragon together with Lam Ching-ying... Bruce Lee liked our group. He liked us, the stuntmen, very much. So in Enter the Dragon, from the Big Boss... We had collaborated on a lot of Bruce Lee films as martial artists. After Bruce Lee died, action films declined for a short time. Then Sammo Hung and us emerged. We made action movies together, with Sammo Hung as leader.


Did you do Fist of Fury?

Yes we made it. But we were very young, about 16 or 17. They used a lot of martial artists. There was a lot of talent. Hong Kong had a lot of stuntmen. How would I describe it? There were groups of us, we were the Peking Opera group - those who'd learnt from childhood. So, we went into the Peking Opera groups. There were those who did Cantonese films, like those fashionable... For example, those by Yu Soo-chow and Lau Kar-leung. They were all different. Those in the Peking Opera groups were all about the same age and had all started out together. So us and Lam Ching-ying and one other, Chan Wui-ngai, were all doing it together. We started our career as marital artist, then proceeded to be action directors then action actors, until Lam Ching-ying passed away and we... So we don't have an ordinary relationship. If we met now, we wouldn't have a lot to talk about. We worked with each other every day for over 10 years. Though we have nothing to say, our relationship is special.
Oh that, how do I put it... Amongst all the brothers I am the introvert. Jackie and Sammo, they love going out and enjoying themselves. They like socialising, I don't. I prefer going home after work. I can stay at home all day doing my own thing. I don't like to hang around much. I'd rather do the things I like doing.
My relationship with Sammo Hung was like any other of the school relationships except it was special in a way... When everyone graduated, we all went our separate ways but Sammo and I stuck together and worked together, we were together since that time. The others went and did their own films, but the two of us always worked together on films, throughout all our time in the industry, well, at Golden Harvest anyway. After Golden Harvest we parted and didn't make films together anymore. But my relationship with Sammo was different. Apart from being at school, where we grew up together, we worked together as well. So it was different.


A lot of things have made the film industry... It's good for Hong Kong. It made Jackie Chan and Chow Yun-fat Hollywood stars. So all those years of hard work by the Hong Kong film industry weren't wasted. It really was a hard work. From my point of view, this society... How do I say it? Decline? To decline is inevitable. You see the trends in society. But it can backtrack - what was fashinable can become fashionable again, which is not uncommon. As for talent, it's abundant in China. But is there an experienced person who can mould this potential to make films, action films? There is a lot of potential there. But is there someone who is like Sammo Hung and Jackie Chan, who has the desire for action films, able to teach them? I don't think that there ever will be.
I'm very happy to meet my English fan sas I have not performed in England before. I have been to England but only during my spare time and not on a work basis. So I hope for an opportunity one day to be able to go to England with those in the film industry or those who love watching films. I look forward to that day. I hope there will be more of my films. I hope you can continue to support my films. If it's good, please applaud it. And if it's bad, you can criticise. I hope to see you all soon.


"Wheels on Meals" HKL interview

Actually, us three, the kung-fu brothers... How should I put it? We have kept in contact with each other since we were at school. Then we finished school and became martial arts masters. Sammo Hung started earlier than me and Jackie Chan. By the time we started our jobs he had already developed a strong interest for working in the entertainment business. He worked as an action choreographer. I heard he was very open-handed before I worked with him. He did everything when he first started to work. He would try to do everything, like learn about mechanics. Many people thought, "The kid wanted to be involved in many things." Even when we started acting in films, many directors would automatically say, "Sammo, sort this out" during filming. He had such an attitude to filmmaking, so to speak. Among the martial arts brothers he was an impeccable figure. When Jackie Chan and I worked as martial arts masters in films we worked for him at that time. For a while I worked for Sammo Hung as the assistant action choreographer.

About Jackie Chan... I remember when I worked for Shaw Brothers, he left as martial arts master and became an actor for the director, Li Han Hsiang. We were action actors for a while, but it didn't work out. No one in Hong Kong wanted to watch kung-fu movies, just movies with actors such as Qin Xiang Lin, Qin Han and Zhen Zhen. So we went off to different places and followed our own paths. Jackie Chan went back to Australia and I went to America and worked there. Sammo Hung didn't spend much time in Hong Kong. Every year he made one action movie. We were scattered around. Then one year, I think it was in 1973, Sammo Hung phoned me, "Biao, come back to Hong Kong. There's a new trend in Hong Kong for action films. Movies about love stories are no longer the rage." "Really? OK, then", I said. So I went back to Hong Kong in 1973 and worked for Sammo Hung. Jackie Chan was working for Law Wai and he was his main actor in Taiwan. He had already acted in many films by then. Sammo Hung and I were working on films in Hong Kong that required action choreographers. Many were Golden Harvest films. We were action choreographers for many directors like Wong Fung, Yi Liu, etc. After a while the trend for action movies gradually got going and so the three kung-fu brothers... Sammo Hung was the first to realise Jackie Chan wasn't getting known by acting in a few films in Norway, but made a name for himself by acting in Yuen Woo Ping's film. Golden Harvest told Sammo to act in films and he started acting as the main actor in films such as The Iron Fisted Monk. I'd always been the assistant action choreographer and had been assisting Sammo. After a while he said, "The boss is asking you to act." I said, "Really? I don't think I can." "Try it," he said and I started acting. And we somehow became actors without consciously wanting to. Jackie Chan was already a kung-fu actor as he was working for Li Han Hsiang, Chan Chi Kung, Law Wai and for many other companies. He started acting much earlier than us. Sammo Hung worked mostly behind the scenes. By the time I started film acting he was close to quitting acting altogether. He was concentrating on directing. On many occasions Sammo Hung directed the films I acted in. We worked together for a long time.

Jackie Chan and I were selling food from a fast-food van in an open square. One day there was a girl at the square and a lot of prostitutes were hanging out there. In fact, this girl was the daughter of a count. but she somehow got separated from her father when she was very young and had ended up becoming a prostitute at the square. She pretended to be a prostitute to trick people out of their money. She was chased by her costumers and she ran and got into our fast-food van. We provided her shelter by taking her back to our home. After taking her back we both wanted to get close to her, you know... We argued about the girl and did not allow things to happen. The girl said something like we were good friends and this shouldn't happen and we shouldn't act like this. The next day when we got up she had stolen all our belongings. I said to Jackie Chan, "Although we were nice to let her stay, she stole from us." Despite what had happened, we still tried to defend her. So we scolded and defended the girl at the same time. Gradually, we learned that the girl was the daughter of a count.

We actually thought that way we wouldn't want to maek films like the old ones, which were about learning kung fu, putting up all the equipment and learning kung fu this way or that way. Not at all. We only worked on one principle. It was to create the Wing Chun kung fu that westerners could relate to, through the use of the wooden dummy, which all westerners know about. Maybe because we had already made some films about Wing Chun kung fu, and that it is realistic, as opposed to the mechanical way of martial arts practices.

Our van was parked in the square and was used for delivering take-away foods. To deliver foods by walking didn't seem particularly interesting, so we hired a professional skateboarder from Japan to teach us skateboarding. Every day before the film started being shot Jackie Chan and I... In fact, the three of us would have left for work already. Sammo Hung went to see the film set while we went to learn skateboarding. We only started learning skateboarding when the film was being shot. It was a popular sport in Japan at that time. We had no serious injury, but we often shammed onto the ground and it was crazy. It happened all the time. After a short while of skateboarding we'd just slam on the ground because we hadn't mastered it, but we had to learn it in order to make the film. We had to perform handstands and it was tricky to skateboard. We never did this type of activity when we were at school. All we did was get up every day to practise martial arts, to act in films. We didn't have much entertainment. The highlight for us was playing Ping-Pong. Our master didn't provide us entertainment. We were in a boarding school for eight to ten years. And so now it has become the only other activity I can do.

My job was to jump onto the floor. At the end of the day, the effect we wanted was that I jumped onto the tent, which was being removed, and I ended up on the floor. This was how we planned the scene to be. The most difficult sequence was not falling on the ground, even though the tent was being removed. The hardest bit was when you got to the ground, how you could look like you landed in a sitting position. If you'd landed in a sitting position, you'd have surely died. Our problem was that we wanted to make it seem so. Both the legs and the buttock should land on the ground instantaneously. This was very difficult. I think this was the most difficult sequence in the film. All the stunts were real. We didn't use special effects. We weren't keen on them. They would make it unauthentic and no one would have wanted to watch it. The had to look real.

In terms of that scene, because the actor was a foreigner... Rapier fancing has spread to western countries. We created the rapier-fencing sequences in the film and the actor wasn't good at doing them. If you asked us to fight with a rapier we wouldn't be able to. What we did was to watch films with rapier fencing and learned from them. We also added techniques of our Chinese martial arts in the film. The actor couldn't fence. All he could do was to move like this. He couldn't fight with the rapier no matter how hard he tried. And neither could the people among us in our group who practised martial arts. Maybe Sammo Hung had more confidence in me than other people. He said, "You do it" and I said, "Yes". We were separated into pairs and I was paired up with someone and Jackie Chan was paired up with someone else. Sammo Hung asked me to fight Jackie as we could fight at the same level. So I said to Jackie, "OK." Because in doing so we saved a lot of time and we were used to working with one another. For many sequences, when one fought in a way, the other knew how to respond, so the action choreography was easy.

As far as I can remember, when Tsai Lan was the producer he found a motor-racing team in France and it was famous for performing stunts in films across Europe. The motor-racing team had performed some stunts in the 007 film series. They moved so quickly. After the car was hit they reacted at great speed to move things around. They came back out, sprayed the car, then the next car was ready to go. They were great and extremely professional. Our colleague, the late Or Sau Leung, had learnt so much from them in that film. He learnt a lot about motor racing through them. He learnt all the stunt techniques from the French team, which helped him leap over the Yellow River on a bike. Actually, the film was highly entertaining. Which scene was the most memorable? I think it is very hard to say. But I think for every individual scene we put so much effort into making a lot of them. For instance the motor-racing scene. There weren't any films with scenes like that in Hong Kong at that time. Therefore, this means that if we weren't specialised in one thing, we went abroad and looked for professional racing drivers. Also, the most important thing was good action choreography, such as for the small details. It wasn't purely fighting, but the tricky parts would be the parts like jumping from the first floor. This is something that one will always remember. This type of action is not only effective but, how should I say it... Maybe I was younger and fitter then. Whatever sequence I thought of performing I was able to perform. There were many sequences like that. At that time, the film was regarded as an outstanding action film in Hong Kong.

Probably his son, my son and Jackie Chan's son can do it. We can only be remembered for our acting collaboration. It depends on the film itself, we may collaborate with each other again. It is impossible to perform in films like Wheels on Meals again. Maybe our sons can have that chance. For us to act in this type of film is impossible. Acting as senior masters is OK. We can still act in action films, but we're unable to act in the same way as before, to be able to move as we wish. Now it is not possible. In the past I jumped off the Regal Hotel at Shatin which wasn't even opened yet. I jumped off it from over ten floors up for a film and I didn't have a problem with that. I acted in many films and I was never scared to jump off buildings. No if you asked me to do it, I couldn't. I can teach the youngsters how it should be done based on my experience, that I can do, but I can't do it myself anymore.


"I'd love if the audience remembered me.
Everything about my movies, my characters.
Don't forget me.
I'm happy that you guys don't forget me.
I love you."
(Sammo Hung)

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